Poll: If Chris could add one feature to MP in the coming year, it would
|Allow us to add pictures of ourselves||3||5%|
|Display average scores for each entry||18||31%|
|Countdown clock for contest deadlines||3||5%|
|Ability to post non-contest scripts||9||16%|
|Something not listed here.||13||22%|
|Nothing else. This site is perfect as is||12||21%|
Tim Westland (Moderator) ~ 12/29/2010 3:32 PM
Chris will probably bar me from future contests for creating this particular poll.
Sorry, Chris. :-(
I think all of the ideas have merit, but my fave would be displaying the average score for each of your entries. Basically, doing the dirty computational work so I don't have to.
Chris Messineo (Founder) ~ 12/29/2010 3:36 PM
I love the poll and I'm curious to see what people think.
I have strong opinions about the choices, but I will keep quiet until people get a chance to share their thoughts.
Khamanna Iskandarova (Level 5) ~ 12/29/2010 3:40 PM
I voted Nothing Else but I want to be able to search for my average for each contest - not the average for my script but the average for the month from me. I see which scripts I voted EX, VG etc but can't find the average. It's a small thing though, and probably it's just me who wants it:)
JeanPierre Chapoteau (Moderator) ~ 12/29/2010 3:48 PM
For everyone who wants to see the average for whatever script, search for Greasemonkey in moviepoet's discussion search engine. It's an app Joel Davis made for moviepoet to display the averages. I've had it so long, I forgot it wasn't part of the site!
I chose "Something else not listed" I hate to bring up "The Room" again, but I think it was Paul who came up with the idea to have a thread which unlocks when you finish reviewing all of the scripts so you can talk about them. It also locks your ratings so you can't go back and change your mind about a script.
Ton of coding, I know, but still a cool idea.
Khamanna Iskandarova (Level 5) ~ 12/29/2010 4:02 PM
I would like to be able to talk about the scripts too. I wonder though if it's possible to create a thread only visible to those who finished reviewing for the month and agreed to locking their reviews ahead of time. Is it what "the room" means though? Or everyone will be able to review the thread? If everyone is able to see the thread - I understand why it's not up here.
Another solution would be to put 25 as a review cut off date. And not be able to start with another month till the 1st of next month. Say, we finished reviewing on 25 of December but the ratings will be out on the 1st. The January entries will be out on the 1st as well. This way we'll have 5 days to talk about the December entries.
And I'm patting myself on the back for the awesome idea:))!!!!
Faith Friese Nelson (Level 5) ~ 12/29/2010 4:49 PM
I'm happy with the way things are but it would be nice to see averages.
William Bienes (Mod Emeritus) ~ 12/29/2010 5:29 PM
Allow us to add pictures of ourselves - don't need to be reminded of what I looks like.
Display average scores for each entry - don't like an emphasis on numbers.
Countdown clock for contest deadlines - only for January's entry.
Ability to post non-contest scripts - love the fact that other scripts are not posted.
Something not listed here - sure, why not?
Nothing else. This site is perfect as is - some agreement with this choice as well.
Marnie Mitchell Lister (Level 5) ~ 12/29/2010 5:41 PM
cookie button. press it and choc. chip cookies fly out of the screen.
Tim Westland (Moderator) ~ 12/29/2010 6:46 PM
Brian Wind (Level 5) ~ 12/29/2010 7:17 PM
Allow us to add pictures of ourselves - I don't see any point or benefit
Display average scores for each entry - Takes 5 seconds for anyone curious enough to compute.
Countdown clock for contest deadlines - Simple and functional. Chris, countdown timers are free. You'd just need to pick one you like and copy the code to these boards.
Ability to post non-contest scripts - I'd like that ability.
Something not listed here - I got a few...
Edit button in the forum.
Ability to lock original script while leaving rewrites accessible.
More code. Bold, italics and underline as well as img tags would be nice. (I realize that equals more bandwidth though.
Michael Cornetto (Level 5) ~ 12/29/2010 8:59 PM
I chose something not listed. Would like to see a change of colours because this purple is obviously not work when I am browsing at the office.
Ayal Pinkus (Level 5) ~ 12/30/2010 3:43 AM
When I first encountered this site I thought of the articles Joel Spolsky wrote on social interaction design:
The claim is that the way one can interact with a community web site influences how the community will behave, designing the community by designing the interaction.
I can see the design decisions Chris made, the things he left out on purpose, and I think he has one a superb job! I think Chris is designing it to try to increase participation (I mean, achievements badges for posts, favorites, reviews, et cetera ;-) ) while making it as useful as possible for the participants (threads have to stay on topic, civil communication through modration, et cetera). He kept the site simple.
Chris defined the way you can interact with MoviePoet, and in the process he designed the community, I think. So I'd be hesitant to make suggestions, knowing that some one else has already thought about it for ten years...
Ayal Pinkus (Level 5) ~ 12/30/2010 3:51 AM
Okay, one tiny thing I think could improve: links don't look like links. They become underlined when you hover over them with the mouse, but it is not initially clear you can click on them. Hidden interface. Related to the concept of affordances in interaction design. A link should look like a link, so the visitor knows he can click on it.
William Bienes (Mod Emeritus) ~ 12/30/2010 10:08 AM
The links are purple. Non-link text is black.
Margaret Ricke (Level 5) ~ 12/30/2010 12:06 PM
I voted "something not listed here." I have no ideas for improvements, but I'm sure Chris will come up with something brilliant eventually, and I'll love it. Except for pictures. I don't want to post my picture...
Rustom Irani (Moderator) ~ 12/30/2010 1:21 PM
A kissing booth, below the donate button, which I shall make it my duty to personally supervise only to be used by eligible single MPs!
Think of all the chap-stick sponsors we can lure!
Travis DeStein (Level 5) ~ 12/30/2010 1:50 PM
Whatabout just a clock that displays major time zones around the world? Seems unfair to have the site listed under Central(?) time when it's a global website.
Rich Keel (Level 4) ~ 12/30/2010 4:35 PM
I know he won't give the scores...been pushing for that since the beginning. I vote other... "Let others shoot your scripts, greedy!" LOL
Actually I like the site how it is...maybe and a link to a page on Vimeo that shows all of the movies entered in the contests. Not to individual pages but to one big MP Vimeo page.
Chris Keaton (Level 5) ~ 12/30/2010 5:16 PM
Let you remove content, not just make it unavailable, sure keep scores and reviews. Is there a real valid reason for your scripts to remain on Chris's server forever? This is the one thing that really bugs me about MoviePoet and what keeps more experienced writers away (which means they don't review either).
William Bienes (Mod Emeritus) ~ 12/30/2010 5:31 PM
I like the idea of the content staying on this site. As far as that keeping any writer away, I don't understand why it would, be experienced or otherwise.
Steve Dexheimer (Level 4) ~ 12/30/2010 5:36 PM
I'd like to see some "mini-contests." I love the site, but having only one contest a month means a lot of sitting around waiting for the next month to start.
Maybe a weekly "one-page" challenge, or periodic "special" events.
I like the logline contest in January, and the 1-page contest later in the year, but maybe these could happen every month. You could take the top three and face them off with the top three from the next month. A rolling "Battle of the Scripts" or "Cage Fight" with an ultimate winner named at the end of the year.
Travis DeStein (Level 5) ~ 12/30/2010 5:51 PM
I never understood why we can't delete our own scripts from the website either.
James Hughes (Level 5) ~ 12/30/2010 6:02 PM
On the short film contest, I would like to be able to see a listing of the equipment that was used when I go to vote. I think it would be interesting to know what they used to film and edit.
JeanPierre Chapoteau (Moderator) ~ 12/30/2010 8:24 PM
What's wrong with the scripts staying on? Unavailable is basically having the same thing. Maybe since I'm not experienced, I don't see the harm in it.
Heather O'Connell (Level 4) ~ 12/30/2010 8:43 PM
Why doesn't anyone want to see pictures?
Margaret Ricke (Level 5) ~ 12/30/2010 11:53 PM
Heather - Some of us are just not that photogenic. I'd agree to an avatar, but she'd be gorgeous.
KP Mackie (Level 5) ~ 12/31/2010 3:53 AM
I think it's been suggested before, but it might be helpful to see the loglines written for the monthlies. They wouldn't be subject to review -- that would complicate scoring -- but I think reading loglines and regular practice writing them could be productive.
Chris Messineo (Founder) ~ 12/31/2010 10:31 AM
As promised, here are my thoughts on the suggestions in the poll (and from the thread).
"Allow us to add pictures of ourselves"
As of now - no one seems to want this too much - writers do tend to work in the shadows. :) In any case, this has been on my "to do" list for a long time. It just require a fair bit of programming and I can't figure out a good way to do it that won't also slow down the forums a bit, so it remains undone.
"Display average scores for each entry"
There are so many discussions about this. I know everyone doesn't agree with me, but I believe that numbers and art don't mix. If I could run this site without them, I would, but that is not the world we live in. We are so used to seeing everything rated, scored, listed, and quantified. MoviePoet should inspire you to write and hopefully become a better storyteller - the number don't matter.
With that said, if anyone deeply cares about the numbers, you can (pretty easily) figure out the average score for yours or any script, by using the numbers that are given.
"Countdown clock for contest deadlines"
I appreciate that our global site, being on Eastern Standard Time can confuse people, so hopefully, I can add a clock soon that will help out.
"Ability to post non-contest scripts"
I've thought about this a lot. I think it will happen some day as part of an expansion of the site, giving writers a chance to use MP as an online and secure repository of their work that they can share with others. It would probably be limited to members of a certain level. It will require much coding, so don't expect to see it anytime soon.
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Chris Messineo (Founder) ~ 12/31/2010 10:37 AM
"Something not listed here."
Here are some of those that were mentioned in the thread:
"I want to be able to search for my average for each contest - not the average for my script but the average for the month from me. I see which scripts I voted EX, VG etc but can't find the average."
I think it would be interesting for members to be able to see the history of their own voting average by month - I will think about adding this.
"I think it was Paul who came up with the idea to have a thread which unlocks when you finish reviewing all of the scripts so you can talk about them. It also locks your ratings so you can't go back and change your mind about a script."
I totally understand where this suggestion is coming from - I too often wish I could talk about the scripts during the month. But honestly, this would be a true nightmare to code. Sorry.
"cookie button. press it and choc. chip cookies fly out of the screen."
This wins for "most delicious suggestion". :)
"Edit button in the forum."
The classic edit button. Believe it or not, I am thinking of adding this with a small caveat - you have five minutes from the original post to change your posts. This would allow members to fix typos and bad urls. I'm not sure when I will get to this, but it is on the official "To Do" list.
"Ability to lock original script while leaving rewrites accessible."
I'm not a fan of any script being made unavailable, but I do understand why people like it and I can understand why they would want this too. So, I am adding this to the "To Do" list as well.
"Bold, italics and underline as well as img tags would be nice."
I like this, but I need to find a simple way to implement it - the url tag thing still confuses so many people.
"Would like to see a change of colours because this purple is obviously not work when I am browsing at the office."
I agree. The site is do for a visual overhaul. I just need to find a graphic designer to work with and the time to do it.
"maybe and a link to a page on Vimeo that shows all of the movies entered in the contest"
I like this idea too. I need to create a group on Vimeo and then add all the links. I will try and get to this.
"Let you remove content, not just make it unavailable, sure keep scores and reviews."
You can mark scripts unavailable. This has the same effect and yet it allows writers to change their mind (which has happened often). Despite rumors, I am not selling your scripts on the Russian Black Market. :)
"Maybe a weekly "one-page" challenge, or periodic "special" events."
I like this idea too, but programming it gives me the shivers.
"On the short film contest, I would like to be able to see a listing of the equipment that was used when I go to vote."
This would be cool, but difficult to control. Your best bet would be to go to the vimeo page for the film and ask the filmmaker.
"I think it's been suggested before, but it might be helpful to see the loglines written for the monthlies."
I thought about this, but I think it is actually better for the writer if the script has to stand on it's own two feet. Reading a logline can't help but influence the reader.
"Nothing else. This site is perfect as is"
Hardly. I love suggestions. For those of you who have been here from the start, you know how much this site has evolved (even as I have tried to keep the core focus the same). Most of the changes to the site have come from member recommendations and I truly appreciate them all (even the ones I don't implement).
I hope that was everything. If I missed anyone, please let me know.
Also, a special thanks to Ayal. I loved those links and it's very cool to see a new member get what we are all about here. :)
Travis DeStein (Level 5) ~ 12/31/2010 11:39 AM
This is just me thinking, but wouldn't you say including the loglines would make the reviews/judging more realistic? How often does a writer send out just their script with no logline to the filmmakers? I'd imagine most producers would want a logline to read before anything. To me, the logline is just as important as anything within the script itself. It should influence the reader just the same as anything else in the script itself. Why not just try it out for one month?
Rich Keel (Level 4) ~ 12/31/2010 2:58 PM
Chris liked my idea...nah nah nah nah :)
And just to tweak it to have every video from every year that would be cool :)
Bill Clar (Level 5) ~ 1/1/2011 8:41 AM
How about an achievement for donating to MP? It might encourage more of us to open up our wallets.
Heather O'Connell (Level 4) ~ 1/1/2011 9:28 AM
You're amazing! Love MP.
Chris Messineo (Founder) ~ 1/1/2011 1:53 PM
"How about an achievement for donating to MP? It might encourage more of us to open up our wallets."
Thanks for the suggestion, but I kind of like when the donations just happen because someone wants to do it.
JeanPierre Chapoteau (Moderator) ~ 1/1/2011 4:10 PM
How much do people generally donate?
Chris Messineo (Founder) ~ 1/1/2011 4:21 PM
It is totally random. If someone wants to donate something, I am happy for the help no matter small. But no one should feel any pressure either.
In fact, I would prefer if we stopped talking about it. I really don't want it be some obligation or make anyone feel uncomfortable.
If someone wants to donate, that's great, and if they don't want to (or their not in a position to), that's okay too.
Brian Howell (Level 5) ~ 1/4/2011 1:22 PM
Why is it that we can't see the results from past logline contests? Or can we, and I'm being am idiot. I know I can see which ones moved on to the top thirty by looking at the next contest, but i'd like to be able to review people's comments on the top thirty logline, and maybe which logline received the top votes etc. I know why this isn't possible while the contest is on going, but afterwards? I would like to see this...or have someone explain how I can see this...
Rustom Irani (Moderator) ~ 1/4/2011 1:30 PM
The results section on the right takes you the results page. Click down on the tab to look at past logline results and check them out individually, Brian.
Chris Messineo (Founder) ~ 1/4/2011 1:51 PM
You can also click the checkbox on the results page that says loglines and that will display the logline as well as the title.
Brian Howell (Level 5) ~ 1/4/2011 2:13 PM
thanks guys. I was trying to find it in the search section.
Rustom Irani (Moderator) ~ 1/4/2011 3:17 PM
Zach Jansen (Level 4) ~ 1/5/2011 11:04 AM
This popped in my head while reading this month's entries:
I like the voting page during the contests -- and I hope everyone knows what I mean by that -- and would like to have access to that page after the contest. Not to edit my comments or scores, but to have a one-stop page to see my voting record and comments during that contest.
There's probably a lot to do to make that happen, but a suggested not said is one that is ignored.
Chris Messineo (Founder) ~ 1/5/2011 11:19 AM
Zach, That is a great suggestion, not easy to do, but I think definitely worth adding to the to do list.
JeanPierre Chapoteau (Moderator) ~ 1/5/2011 11:21 AM
Oh yeah, I always wanted that too. It's so convenient to scroll down the page and see all of your comments and scores for that month.
Khamanna Iskandarova (Level 5) ~ 1/5/2011 12:30 PM
Just in case:
I check out my scores for a month this way:
Log In, go to SEARCH, select a month (you can check for any month)
Select a rating, say Excellent - your search will pull up all the entries you marked E for that month.
Zach Jansen (Level 4) ~ 1/5/2011 12:41 PM
That's what I've been doing, Khamanna. It works great, but you can end up doing 5 searches to find what you're looking for. Not that that's a problem -- MoviePoet.com has sudden become my new procrastination site... But at least I'm reading scripts!
Tim Westland (Moderator) ~ 1/6/2011 3:14 PM
Chris... came up with a good idea that is easily coded.
Often times, someone opening a new thread will be looking for advice and/or a reply from other MP members.
If you could add a checkbox to the form which says, "Alert me on all replies", then when someone responds, an email can be sent to the person who created the thread and they'll know about it.
If the box isn't checked, no emails are sent.
If the response is from the person who created the thread, no email is sent.
Chris Messineo (Founder) ~ 1/6/2011 3:27 PM
Yes it makes sense and I will add it to the list. Although I do get a bit nervous about sending out automated emails. Too often lazy members flag them as spam and it gets me into hot water and ends up preventing legitimate emails from going through. In fact, this is why I had to discontinue the monthly newsletter a year ago. Still, I think this has merit and I will add it to the to do list.
Brian Howell (Level 5) ~ 1/6/2011 6:35 PM
Chris, I think this "To-Do list" is getting pretty long. Maybe you should post it so we can continually hound you around the clock to get it done... Ha, no I'm kidding. But seriously it's sounding kind of long, is there anything some of us out here can do to help you out? I love this site and if I can be of any help, I'd be glad to (and I mean above and beyond the 'you know what' thing you're too gracious to ask for).
Tim Westland (Moderator) ~ 1/6/2011 8:01 PM
And I've saved the BEST suggestion for last...
Chris, I suggest you lock this thread before we (meaning I) make any more work for you.
Travis DeStein (Level 5) ~ 1/7/2011 11:36 AM
Just a lil' suggestion: I use that flowery square in the top right corner of every page all the time on my phone to automatically scroll to the bottom, but it's so small it can be a major pain. Maybe make it bigger?
Khamanna Iskandarova (Level 5) ~ 1/7/2011 1:14 PM
I wonder though how it's you can scroll and you can't enlarge on your phone... - or is it a joke? (posted with good intentions:))
Zach Jansen (Level 4) ~ 1/7/2011 2:43 PM
I had no idea that that flower thing did that. Awesome.
Travis DeStein (Level 5) ~ 1/7/2011 2:46 PM
Not 100% sure what ya mean, Khamanna. I can scroll and enlarge on my phone, but to get to the bottom of long web pages I gotta swipe with my finger dozens of times. Most other websites dont have pages that are as long as one of MoviePoet's threads with over 200 posts.
Khamanna Iskandarova (Level 5) ~ 1/7/2011 2:52 PM
If you can enlarge you can make the flower bigger in no time. Maybe I misunderstand - I just tried it though, it gets bigger like the rest of the page.
Travis DeStein (Level 5) ~ 1/7/2011 4:27 PM
Sure I could zoom in every single time I ever want to scroll to the bottom of a page... I'm asking if the icon itself could be enlarged so it'd be easier and quicker. Not a big deal.
JeanPierre Chapoteau (Moderator) ~ 1/7/2011 8:35 PM
Flower thing scrolls all the way to the bottom?! Why did I not know this!
Margaret Ricke (Level 5) ~ 1/7/2011 10:00 PM
Wow! You learn something every day!
Travis - Can't you put your thumb and first finger together on the screen and then sweep them apart to enlarge the icon?
Travis DeStein (Level 5) ~ 1/7/2011 11:22 PM
Marge... Please read my last message...
Heather O'Connell (Level 4) ~ 1/10/2011 6:14 PM
I think it would be nice to be able to pick a favourite during voting. In this month's contest, I gave 3 Excellents, but one is my favourite and I'd like to give it a little better score, like Excellent+.
Bill Clar (Level 5) ~ 3/9/2011 11:24 AM
When we submit our scripts, we also enter a logline. Could that logline be visible during the voting process and count towards our score? It would give us more practice and feedback with loglines.
Marnie Mitchell Lister (Level 5) ~ 3/9/2011 12:20 PM
"When we submit our scripts, we also enter a logline. Could that logline be visible during the voting process and count towards our score?"
Bill...are you trying to throw some of us into a complete panic attack?
Denise Jewell (Level 4) ~ 3/9/2011 1:02 PM
Chris answered this question above with:
"I thought about this, but I think it is actually better for the writer if the script has to stand on it's own two feet. Reading a logline can't help but influence the reader."
I have experienced reading a logline and then the script (not MP) and completely reading info from the logline into the story, that didn't show up in the script. I completely agree with us reading only the script and having to get everything from it. I also panic a bit with Marnie - if I'm about to submit a script, I can throw out a general logline without stressing about the logline being good. Don't take that away from me. :)
JeanPierre Chapoteau (Moderator) ~ 3/9/2011 1:33 PM
Where... is... THE ROOM!!
Wish I knew how to code stuff. I would get on it.
Tim Westland (Moderator) ~ 2/29/2012 1:41 AM
Countdown clock. Would be extra good for leap years.
Oh, and an edit button for people who entered something in the Tourny of Champions. I'm just sayin....
Reginald McGhee (Level 0) ~ 2/29/2012 1:56 AM
I think I might have a suggestion, but I'm not sure if this will take too much bandwith or require intensive programing to do this. Would it be nice if we could go to someone's profile (by clicking on their names in the forum post, like we can do now) and add people to their "friends" list, like we coud do on Facebook?
MJ Hermanny (Level 5) ~ 2/29/2012 5:01 AM
@ Reg - but then hyper-sensitive folk like moi would be upset that so few people 'friended' them :-)
David M Troop (Level 5) ~ 2/29/2012 5:10 AM
I voted for something else.
I suggested this a while back, but now see an opportunity to reiterate because I just now after seven months found out what that flower icon does.
Every time we get a new member, they seem to have the same questions about the site.
Most of the questions are answered by FAQ, but members and MODS have to point this out.
What I propose is a short Welcome to Movie Poet video that a new member can click onto.
Then Chris or an actor can welcome the new member and point out various navigation links and explain what they do. We could even have some members shoot a few seconds of greetings from their respective home towns and countries and welcome them into the community. (This would convey that even though we have members from all over the planet, we all share the same goals and are a "family.")
We all have said how much we admire Chris and Movie Poet for being a close community of writers that strive to help each other become better. I feel this message would really come across in the Welcome video. It would be an excellent first impression.
Sean Chipman (Level 4) ~ 2/29/2012 8:45 AM
I still stand by showing your actual average. Try to calculate it is one of those things that I'm doing it... then I get sick of doing it and just guesstimate.
Zach Jansen (Level 4) ~ 2/29/2012 11:49 AM
I'd love to make a movie Poet video. Great idea, David.
I still like the countdown idea. If it's possible, every time you open it you should get blasted with Europe's 1986 hit song "The Final Countdown."
William Bienes (Mod Emeritus) ~ 2/29/2012 12:14 PM
"...you should get blasted with Europe's 1986 hit song "The Final Countdown." That should never happen to anyone... ever.
Rustom Irani (Moderator) ~ 2/29/2012 12:43 PM
Plus, "Arrested Development" already has the rights and used the gag really well.
Kirk White (Level 5) ~ 2/29/2012 1:25 PM
I do like the idea of being able to post other scripts here...taking this next logical direction of the profiles would give us the opportunity to share our very own MP link with folk for a one stop shop of all our kick-assiest samples (which means we'd have to first have a bunch of kick-assey samples but I digress).
And on a side note, I am totes down with blasting The Final Countdown, but I think it should be random as to when it blasts...ie: you're on the site, typing away into the wee hours, trying to get those precious last reviews in...and your eyes glaze over and you start to phase out...but NO. IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN BEE DO DEEEE DOOO BEE DOO DEE DOO DOO. alright, hey...thanks Chris...I needed that, and as soon as I change my pantaloons, it's back to bid'ness.
Rustom Irani (Moderator) ~ 2/29/2012 1:39 PM
I always thought you'd be a more "the heat is on" kinda guy, Kirk! That's what I've been blasting for my fellow mods to get them all pepped up for their championship!
Zach Jansen (Level 4) ~ 3/1/2012 1:26 AM
Tim Westland (Moderator) ~ 3/1/2012 7:33 PM
I think Rusty is a "Xanadu" kind of guy.
That's right, I said it.